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RE: Decreased comfort level - admin - 04-10-2019 (04-10-2019, 07:37 AM)Coach24 Wrote: I don't have a lot of the investment knowledge as many on this site so perhaps I may be wrong because my understanding may not be as strong as some. The stock was at 3.91 on March 12th the day before earnings peaked on March 18th at 5.93 and now is at 4.35 which isn't much above when we got last audited numbers. I have concerns like others but the price isn't much higher than at last earnings so to me it appears most if not all the concerns are already baked into the price. Appreciated Coach. By the way, we still have a long position, albeit half the previous one. RE: Decreased comfort level - Mrebs - 04-10-2019 Sorry to hear you sold half your position but a profit is a profit! IMO you might have been taken advantage of. Short interest went from 8.5M to 11.8M in 2 weeks and it looks like an additional 1M shares were borrowed today to help drive it down, and that just so happened to line up with a SA article that was based on opinions. I am sure Q1 numbers will be strong which is why I am still holding all mine, but they are over the 1 year threshold for the tax break. We will see soon if it was the right move. RE: Decreased comfort level - admin - 04-10-2019 (04-10-2019, 09:19 AM)Mrebs Wrote: Sorry to hear you sold half your position but a profit is a profit! IMO you might have been taken advantage of. Short interest went from 8.5M to 11.8M in 2 weeks and it looks like an additional 1M shares were borrowed today to help drive it down, and that just so happened to line up with a SA article that was based on opinions. I am sure Q1 numbers will be strong which is why I am still holding all mine, but they are over the 1 year threshold for the tax break. We will see soon if it was the right move. Yea, shorts apart, the simple reason we bailed out of half our SHU position is that I can't answer the issues mentioned earlier in this thread and the fact that the shares didn't rally on this mornings news. Since we have close to 11K followers on SA we felt compelled to announce that this was moving a little out of our comfort zone. We suspect that the conversion rate might very well come down quite a bit, could be well below 50% even. In fact, that in itself wouldn't be a disaster but it points to aggressive promotion of the backlog, which now seems to stand at a colossal $938M or so. If they're overly aggressive reporting backlog, they might well be aggressive with other things. There is no indication of that as far as I know, but it reduces the comfort zone, to be honest. RE: Decreased comfort level - stpioc - 04-10-2019 Here's an idea. The company should simply dispose of these silly backlog figures altogether. Problem solved. Revenue wise they're doing pretty well, moving from $4M in Q1 to $9.2M or so in Q4 2018. Just guide revenues and forget about that backlog. I mean, that stands at what, $900M+ or so? Does anyone actually think that in two years they're going to monetize 55% of that (and what is added in the meantime)? Backlog is what's creating all these issues with credibility, animating the shorts and pulling even some longs out of their comfort zones. Just report revenues, steady growth, guide conservatively, and beat. Rinse repeat, that's how you build credibility. Or if they won't do that, perhaps investors should simply ignore the backlog figures, and focus on revenue growth, cash flow, you know, the basic stuff.. RE: Decreased comfort level - admin - 04-10-2019 (04-10-2019, 10:28 AM)Coach24 Wrote: Interesting I found this on twitter. Seems the guy who wrote the article bringing TEUM down today wrote a similar article in 2016 about another company. Hopefully he is equally wrong about TEUM. Not sure that says much, Coach. Everybody can be wrong. It's not hard to find articles were we have been wrong either. Even Buffet is wrong occasionally. What I think is important is to build in the possibility one might be wrong. Too often I've seen people getting emotionally attached to a stock and reasoning criticism away. One should be open to counterarguments and facts.. RE: Decreased comfort level - admin - 04-10-2019 (04-10-2019, 10:34 AM)stpioc Wrote: Here's an idea. The company should simply dispose of these silly backlog figures altogether. Actually, ignoring backlog is a pretty good idea. RE: Decreased comfort level - stpioc - 04-10-2019 Here is something else that is somewhat vexing. iPass was a declining, loss-making business before the acquisition (not necessarily a problem in itself). However:
RE: Decreased comfort level - admin - 04-10-2019 From the little we know about the backlog, the available evidence points uncomfortably towards a significant overstatement:
That in itself might not be all that bad, even at 50% conversion the company still has a significant growth path in front of it (as backlog stands at a whopping $938M), but it opens up other, more problematic possibilities:
RE: Decreased comfort level - Mrebs - 04-11-2019 (04-10-2019, 11:36 AM)stpioc Wrote: Here is something else that is somewhat vexing. iPass was a declining, loss-making business before the acquisition (not necessarily a problem in itself). However: Also from what I was told by IR is they got rid of most IPAS management personnel who were highly paid and no longer needed. This obviously reduced their costs as well. RE: Decreased comfort level - admin - 04-11-2019 Yes, that would certainly be part of it, as well as perhaps some sales people where there is duplication. |