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RE: TOT Results/Outlook - Stavros - 02-13-2016

Puts:

Re-read what Patrick Pouyanné and Laurent Vivier said.
Then sit quietly and think about their statements.
Then re-read yet again.

They are entering into these new long-term offtake contracts, with new customers, based on oil prices, to underpin the Papua LNG Project.
They are not in a frenzy; they are focused on early FID for the best project on their table, based on long term deals "CONTRARY TO SOME EXPECTATION IN THE MARKET."


RE: TOT Results/Outlook - Putncalls - 02-13-2016

Patrick may also be saying that is sucks selling into the current market so we are trying to sell into new markets. Getting Papua LNG started in 2017 would be something to crow about. I don't see that. On the other hand: I think this oil induced correction is not a harbinger of a global contraction. If Patrick isn't over reacting to his ugly P+L then he should like the idea of building an LNG plant in this environment.


RE: TOT Results/Outlook - jft310 - 02-13-2016

Seems pretty clear Total wants this project to go forward . The low construction costs etc are nuts compared to what is already on their book and conpared to other new money choices with little political risk . They have the contacts to pull this off and lock in this low cost project . Now where will Exxon get extra gas for its project???Do we have extra????Somewhere.


RE: TOT Results/Outlook - katytrader - 02-14-2016

Patrick Pouyanne's comments on Papua which I noted (but could not copy) in post #3 in this thread  can be heard in TOT's Feb 11 webcast following the question from the floor at the 1hour 50 minute mark.




RE: TOT Results/Outlook - KnowTheFacts - 02-15-2016

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Patrick Pouyanne's comments on Papua which I noted (but could not copy) in post #3 in this thread  can be heard in TOT's Feb 11 webcast following the question from the floor at the 1hour 50 minute mark.

Lucas O. Herrmann - Deutsche Bank AG (Broker UK)

Thank you for that. And then just on LNG, a couple of questions. First, whether Laurent might be able to give us some – what the average realized price for your sales was this year. And how much – what proportion of the contracts have collars? So to what extent can I feel secure around pricing in the current year?

Patrick Pouyanné - Chairman & Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. That's a good question, this one. The realized price we gave you from Patrick presentation, 33% on the world gas portfolio. I'm not sure we want to disclose what is the impact on LNG, but it's true, the 33% is less than the 47% on the Brent, there are two effects. One is a lag time in the formula, the second is that on many LNG formulas, you have what we call the – it's a S-curve, so you have what you call a floor somewhere, and which could be hit and sometimes we don't like it on the – we are not liking the S-curve when it was reaching the high prices. We quite like these ones on the low prices today. So it helps to have this gas price being resilient.

Lucas O. Herrmann - Deutsche Bank AG (Broker UK)

But sorry, did I hear a proportion that are – that have built around an S?

Patrick Pouyanné - Chairman & Chief Executive Officer

I think it's more – quite a high proportion, I think. Yeah? No? Laurent?

Laurent Vivier - President-Gas Division

No – but – yes. Most of the LNG deals do have an S-curve. To give an exact point of inflection, it depends on the history of the contract. So it's really a kind of continuum. But the fact that you have those S-curves, the fact you have as well a few constants in the formulas do help in terms of the resilience of the LNG prices.

Patrick Pouyanné - Chairman & Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. You have constants as well which are almost as important as the S-curve.

Lucas O. Herrmann - Deutsche Bank AG (Broker UK)

And then, Patrick, I mean a more conceptual question, the price moves in a cycle, and I don't think that many of us would disagree with you that prices at some point have got to rebound. But structurally, it feels as though we're probably in – maybe this plays to the point on operating cost, we're now into a period where the industry is quite possibly going to face extended period of price deflation, and that the U.S. will help that price deflation along.

So, where does that leave you when you think about investing into things like Papua, whatever duration type projects where the capital upfront is substantial. The breakeven today may be $7, $8 on gas, but in five years' time, the breakeven on that same project will be $5, $6 gas. And the reality – and the danger is that consequently, you find actually, what looks competitive today is taken away from you very quickly tomorrow.

Patrick Pouyanné - Chairman & Chief Executive Officer

But you know, Papua is a good example of a long cycle investment. So, I'm more nervous today on some short plateau on which even if I benefit some low costs, as the price remain low, I will produce most of my reserves during four years, five years at a low price where it's more risky there. But on Papua, Papua's main challenge for me first is to find the customers with good contracts.

But again, if today, I think in 2018 – 2017, 2018 when we'll go to the market to ask for bids to build a new LNG plant, I'm not sure there will be many projects. And the people, the EPC contractors would be very happy to come to us. And so, we'll be in a pricing power position where we could benefit from low costs.

So, if you keep that perspective, I'm confident, but again, we have to be very serious and disciplined on the costs we obtain in order to maintain the low cost base. But Papua is well positioned near the markets. So, transportation costs are minimum. I think it's a good project. We will not rush on it. We have no – I mean we won't rush. We have first to find the customers and second, to stabilize a scheme so we are – but again, I think, in that case, I'm comfortable with investing in long cycle projects.




RE: TOT Results/Outlook - Stavros - 02-15-2016

Again TOT implies FID in mid-2017.

They know that anything later will incur the wrath of PNG Government and the resulting negative consequences on tax and other concessions given to the project.


RE: TOT Results/Outlook - Putncalls - 02-15-2016

"I think in 2018 – 2017, 2018 when we'll go to the market to ask for bids to build a new LNG plant"

When would Total ask for bids relative to FID?

Any comments on what this means"
"We have first to find the customers and second, to stabilize a scheme so we are –"


RE: TOT Results/Outlook - MartiniStocks9756 - 02-15-2016

The EPC contractors would be very happy to come to us. And so, we'll be in a pricing power position where we could benefit from low costs.

Would this not be one of the key statements? FID with lower costs and close to markets and a rising oil and gas pricing will all hopefully be a favorable tailwind for IOC.


RE: TOT Results/Outlook - Stavros - 02-15-2016

FID usually comes after they get all the Basic Engineering Packages completed, firm EPC bids to construct the as-designed plants and facilities are in-hand and financing is lined up. In other words, when they are quite sure of the final cost (within +/- 10%) and they know they will borrow the money from somebody.

It takes about 6 months to prepare and submit the EPC bids after the Basic Engineering is available from the many Licensors (Gas Treating, Condensate Separation, Tankage, Pipelines, Utilities and LNG Production).

However, this timeline could be shortened if they go to someone "Sole Source" . . . such as Technip.

PNG LNG's FID was about 5 minutes after the financing deal was signed in December 2009 when it was very difficult to get money after the "Great Recession and Financial Crisis."


RE: TOT Results/Outlook - Putncalls - 02-15-2016

Wouldn't FID then be about 6 months after Total "2017-2018" asks for bids?
Thanks