RE: Where are the Elephants? - Palm - 07-09-2014
'Getitrt2' pid='46581' dateline='<a href="tel:1404865 Wrote:
'Indoreservoir' pid='46575' dateline='<a href="tel:1404857 Wrote:
from April 14 Investor Presentation
MESSAGE FROM THE CEO
Dr. Michael Hession
THE PATH TO WORLD CLASS
"Our vision is to be a world-class company developing world-class resources with world-class people who have a passion for working together, doing good work and making a difference.
In 2014, we entered into a new chapter of InterOil’s story by choosing Total of France to be our partner to develop the Elk-Antelope gas field as a multi-billion- dollar LNG project for Papua New Guinea.
This major project – and our exploration portfolio and oil refinery and distribution businesses – positions InterOil among the front rank of Asian energy companies.
Our strategy is simple. It has three horizons which we work simultaneously.
Horizon One is focused on operating growth: running an efficient and financially stable existing business by ensuring we have capital to support investment, by reducing costs, by building organisational capability, and by having best practice processes.
Horizon Two is focused on developing growth: particularly by monetising our gas resources through partnerships with world-class operators to develop our gas and to leverage relationships that create value across exploration, development and operations.
Horizon Three...."
2 months later: Surprise, Surprise - Horizon One is gone. What next?
WRONG. Horizon One can still be there, applicable to the remaining business and operations as stated without changing a single word.
And:
1. The bid for the refinery was unsolicited
2. The value of the refinery was thought to be between $300-$400 million. They received the higher net bid (net of any borrowings against the refinery), considered it in their strategic plans, and pulled the trigger.
3. State now on their website how this allows them to refocus on midstream and upstream with even more capital.
RE: Where are the Elephants? - Indoreservoir - 07-09-2014
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Getitrt2 dateline='<a href="tel:1404838893">1404838893</a>' Wrote: This is disturbingly unbelievable. Pet starts a thread about the substance of current and future exploration, and I address a question to him about oil as a target, including a quote from Raymond James about that, which happened to have the word "patient" in it. Suddenly, totally ignoring the substance of the thread, whiners come out in droves and completely take over the thread, turning it into ANOTHER repetitious whiners' thread! I'm beginning to wonder whether people like Pet, Palm, Tree, Sam, etc., and I should just stop posting anything until we have material news. I'm not trying to place blame, but I can't help thinking having supposed shareholders constantly whining and criticizing and complaining about supposed negatives and failings of the Company and management, past, present, and future, can't be helping the stock and may be hurting it, kind of like the old saying, cutting off your nose to spite your face. And they really have nothing new. In spite of all the problems and delays (past and present) repeatedly being complained about and beaten to death, justly and unjustly, there is no doubt in my mind that IOC is by far in the best condition and position for the future that it has ever been in, not the stock, but the Company, which eventually will be reflected in the stock; and I feel sure new management should get most of the credit for that, given the resources that were found so, so many years ago. Does anyone really believe, in hindsight, IOC was in a good position with Exxon a year ago with competitors walking away? Did new management screw it up, or save the Company and create a better future for it? I strongly suspect the latter. How can people talk like IOC or others in PNG have not had significant problems and delays and failures with drilling, going all the way back to at least the 1950s? They almost lost and were unable to finish Elk 1, albeit a lesser discovery. They stepped out too far with Elk 2 and got nothing. Have people forgotten, the ones that were here, the interminable problems and delays with Antelope? Does no one think OSH, with better financing, and others in PNG have not had many problems and delays? How about OSH's apparent fiasco offshore in the Gulf? I would bet shareholders of other companies have not been counting the days and constantly complaining and whining on line. Bottom line, IOC has had enormous exploration success in PNG, on a shoestring, where others, including majors, have missed out or failed. I am hearing, by the way, that Rigs 2 and 3 are so old and inefficient that they will be replacing them after the current wells. Maybe that has something to do with the problems and delays, and thanks to current management, they have the capability to do that. Previous management was never even able to get in a position to use Rig 3; this is the first experience with it, at Wahoo, with by far the worst problems. I'm not trying to make excuses and not saying I'm not frustrated with the erroneous target dates and delays, and the communications, and maybe mistakes were made under time pressure of required March spuddings; but I can't say they were not justified, and expect some lessons have been learned. Saying, by the way, that at the June 24 update, Hession just screamed safety first and gave no substantive information about the problems and delays being experienced is a false statement, although I did not like the way he presented it. Some talk like Hession is on the rigs doing the drilling. They are depending on contract drillers and experts from such as Weatherford and Schlumberger. Regarding the short-term pps, when the market and energy stocks are going down and the stock is being manipulated, and management has no final material news to provide, what exactly are they supposed to do, other than focusing on and working diligently to achieve their business goals and working to attract new coverage and investors, all of which I feel confident they are doing. On the other hand, what good, or what harm, can all this constant repetitive complaining and whining do, essentially from perpetrators in no position to know exactly what is going on. P.S.: IMHO, the claim that the refinery and distribution business would be a substantial enough business for the Company and the stock to fall back on in the event of failure of resource monetization and exploration is ridiculous. That capital is best allocated now, when a good buyer is available, to take full advantage of the opportunities the Company now has for resource monetization and exploration, and help ensure and maximize its success as an E&P company. Any investors not here for that kind of investment and ride, and that kind of potential, or who have little confidence in IOC's success as that, really need to move on and find something more appropriate for them, IMHO. Okay, I've said my piece now, and I'm here with the target on my chest, although not pink, today. Have at it!
Getit
Point taken about the thread - perhaps I or someone should have made a new thread: "MH after one year." He was appointed on July 11, 2013.
But I do dispute several comments in your post and feel it worth making follow-on comments on the Board:
1. On the June 24 update, MH did indeed scream safety first. Please review his prepared comments - first sentence '....safety will ALWAYS be our highest priority.' (His CAPS, not mine.) Safety comments appear twice more in his one-page comments on drilling.
My view is he is hiding behind safety, rather than explaining why they're having problems drilling WHEN THEY'VE DRILLED 9 OTHER WELLS IN THE BASIN!
It is abyssmal performance. As many on this board are not in the industy, I though it worthwhihle to point out this fact.
2. IOC are planning and supervising operations on-site, and are NOT relying on Contract drillers and others for planning and supervision. IOC are responsible - this is a fact of how oilfield operations are conducted. There are contractors on the rig, of course, but ultimate responsibility is IOCs.
And if they got lousy rigs, isn't that IOC's fault for accepting those rigs? (Answer: yes.) They certainly would have done rig inspections prior to contracting.
3. On the refinery and distribution business, sure appears the market did not like our sale - straight down from $64 and change to $59+. Is this pps swoon related to the refinery sale? Dunno, but the timing sure matches.
And where was this sale outlined as part of our strategy? As late as April 14 strategy was stabilize/monetize (development)/secure - no headsup about refocussing on only E&P. Slide 14 says NOTHING about possible sale.
I think the pps swoon is in part the market saying 'where the heck did this come from, and what next?' Where is the predictability?
4. Whiners? Not hardly. I've posted once on this issue and presented facts (mostly.) I thought the purpose of the message board was to share information and views, positive OR NEGATIVE. Maybe I'm wrong.
5. I truly would like to move on but am not ready to take my 20% haircut yet - getting close with MH's performance, but as others note there is long-term (3+ years?) upside. Its very painful, however, to have NO substantive updates and then things like the refinery sale happen out of the blue.
Poor management performance is all I can say. And terrible communications. Someone needs to tall MH he's not working at Woodside anymore, and updates are appropriate for a small, now no-revenue company.
GLTAL
Indo, I appreciate your apparent experience at some level in the industry and welcome any such experience on the Board, and you are not among the worst of the repetitive whiners imo. However, I do dispute some of your disputes.
1. It disappoints and angers me for someone to take something I wrote out of context and redefine and misstate it, and you did that here. It gives me the impression of at best carelessness or at worst dishonesty or incompetence, as you accuse Hession of. I did NOT say, "Hession did not scream safety first." I said, quote, "Saying, by the way, that at the June 24 update, Hession JUST screamed safety first AND gave no substantive information about the problems and delays being experienced is a false statement." He did NOT JUST do that, and he DID make various specific comments about why they were having problems, whether you think they were sufficient or not. Reread the transcript. If you want to express the opinion those are not real and he's "hiding behind safety", that's fine; but do not misstate what I said. Furthermore, Hession and his team have NOT "DRILLED 9 OTHER WELLS IN THE BASIN"; THAT IS FALSE, THEY'VE DRILLED ZERO UNTIL NOW. You had an "abysmal performance" on this dispute item.
2. Obviously, "ultimate responsibility" for the wells belongs to management, which I would say are taking responsibility, but I seriously doubt they are working as drilling bosses or supervisors on three simultaneous 24/7 operations at different locations in PNG, and not everything in new prospects exploration drilling can be predicted or timed, with shared reliance on others for resolving problems. This management did not "accept" rigs 2 and 3 from "contractors" and had never used them before. They were owned by and inherited from IOC and what they had to use by lease-related deadlines. In fact, IOC had never used RIG 3, which is at Wahoo, period. I can't say no one has screwed up on anything, but you also don't have enough detailed information to say everything is just excuses. Of course, I'm sure you could have done better in the same circumstances.
3. I would say you are out of your field on this one and dead wrong. The stock was up $1.06 with the market down the day of the sale announcement, and trying to suggest the decline from the $64 price after that to now was caused by the sale is ridiculous. Public companies do not normally discuss or "announce" full or partial acquisitions before they are final and formally announced. They also are not usually "predicted" by investors, even if there has been discussion of such possibilities. That's why they are usually accompanied by significant price changes; ever notice that? This sale was not at the level of an overall strategy for the Company, and it would not have been wise or even appropriate to show it as a "strategy" or a component thereof, especially without knowing it was practical or even possible with an appropriate buyer at a good price. However, I certainly regard it as fitting in well with the strategies of monetizing our resources and securing our future through successful exploration and profitable growth, as I indicated above.
4. I have no problem with your view of the message board as stated.
5. I think there is also significant shorter-term upside than your 3+ years. I would also like more and better updates, but I think claiming "NO substantive updates" is inaccurate. Your conclusion of "poor management performance" is certainly your right but subjective in large part. I say it's a HUGE improvement, and am very glad and thankful to have them at this point.
Excellent comments Getit.
Excellent? Ridiculous.
How many wells did MH say they'd drilled at the Jan or later press conference? Was it 8 or 9? Or maybe he did not say that because that does not sit with the story here. Have better things to do than check, but I know he said it. To claim that they've (IOC) drilled no wells is ludicrous.
And to say no wellsite supervision is simply ignorant. Companies in the oilfield always have a superintendent, drllg supervisors, wellsite geologists etc AT EACH RIG (supt might be in town, along with support staff). Those on this board who have never been in the oilfield or on a rig, please refrain from stupid nonsense and commenting. Be honest enough to say you 'don't know' and refrain from commenting. It really is frustrating to respond to pedantic nonsense.
And I'm afraid MH did hide behind safety and gave no specifics. I believe that is a true statement, and getit said it was false which is where we disagree Maybe what he said is sufficient for the 'walk on water' MH crowd, but for anyone with any knowledge of drilling it was an abyssmally poor. "Dog ate my homework" explanation, and deserves to be s___canned for it.
And where did they signal to the market that they would dispose of R&M? No place. The drop in share price is likely a direct result of management without a plan or ANY proven ability to execute but doing things without signalling.
And lets see, we're 120 days in on 3, 90-day wells and we've not yet reached the target zones - great performance. Not even one well to TD, but thats not MH's fault.
As I said. Ridiculous. And enough on this.
GLTAL.
RE: Where are the Elephants? - trans - 07-09-2014
'Indoreservoir' pid='46619' datel Wrote:
'Palm' pid='46592' dateline='<a href="tel:1404903 Wrote:
'Getitrt2' pid='46580' dateline='<a href="tel:1404865 Wrote:
'Indoreservoir' pid='46572' dateline='<a href="tel:1404855 Wrote:
'Getitrt2' pid='46533' dateline='<a href="tel:1404838 Wrote:This is disturbingly unbelievable. Pet starts a thread about the substance of current and future exploration, and I address a question to him about oil as a target, including a quote from Raymond James about that, which happened to have the word "patient" in it. Suddenly, totally ignoring the substance of the thread, whiners come out in droves and completely take over the thread, turning it into ANOTHER repetitious whiners' thread! I'm beginning to wonder whether people like Pet, Palm, Tree, Sam, etc., and I should just stop posting anything until we have material news. I'm not trying to place blame, but I can't help thinking having supposed shareholders constantly whining and criticizing and complaining about supposed negatives and failings of the Company and management, past, present, and future, can't be helping the stock and may be hurting it, kind of like the old saying, cutting off your nose to spite your face. And they really have nothing new. In spite of all the problems and delays (past and present) repeatedly being complained about and beaten to death, justly and unjustly, there is no doubt in my mind that IOC is by far in the best condition and position for the future that it has ever been in, not the stock, but the Company, which eventually will be reflected in the stock; and I feel sure new management should get most of the credit for that, given the resources that were found so, so many years ago. Does anyone really believe, in hindsight, IOC was in a good position with Exxon a year ago with competitors walking away? Did new management screw it up, or save the Company and create a better future for it? I strongly suspect the latter. How can people talk like IOC or others in PNG have not had significant problems and delays and failures with drilling, going all the way back to at least the 1950s? They almost lost and were unable to finish Elk 1, albeit a lesser discovery. They stepped out too far with Elk 2 and got nothing. Have people forgotten, the ones that were here, the interminable problems and delays with Antelope? Does no one think OSH, with better financing, and others in PNG have not had many problems and delays? How about OSH's apparent fiasco offshore in the Gulf? I would bet shareholders of other companies have not been counting the days and constantly complaining and whining on line. Bottom line, IOC has had enormous exploration success in PNG, on a shoestring, where others, including majors, have missed out or failed. I am hearing, by the way, that Rigs 2 and 3 are so old and inefficient that they will be replacing them after the current wells. Maybe that has something to do with the problems and delays, and thanks to current management, they have the capability to do that. Previous management was never even able to get in a position to use Rig 3; this is the first experience with it, at Wahoo, with by far the worst problems. I'm not trying to make excuses and not saying I'm not frustrated with the erroneous target dates and delays, and the communications, and maybe mistakes were made under time pressure of required March spuddings; but I can't say they were not justified, and expect some lessons have been learned. Saying, by the way, that at the June 24 update, Hession just screamed safety first and gave no substantive information about the problems and delays being experienced is a false statement, although I did not like the way he presented it. Some talk like Hession is on the rigs doing the drilling. They are depending on contract drillers and experts from such as Weatherford and Schlumberger. Regarding the short-term pps, when the market and energy stocks are going down and the stock is being manipulated, and management has no final material news to provide, what exactly are they supposed to do, other than focusing on and working diligently to achieve their business goals and working to attract new coverage and investors, all of which I feel confident they are doing. On the other hand, what good, or what harm, can all this constant repetitive complaining and whining do, essentially from perpetrators in no position to know exactly what is going on. P.S.: IMHO, the claim that the refinery and distribution business would be a substantial enough business for the Company and the stock to fall back on in the event of failure of resource monetization and exploration is ridiculous. That capital is best allocated now, when a good buyer is available, to take full advantage of the opportunities the Company now has for resource monetization and exploration, and help ensure and maximize its success as an E&P company. Any investors not here for that kind of investment and ride, and that kind of potential, or who have little confidence in IOC's success as that, really need to move on and find something more appropriate for them, IMHO. Okay, I've said my piece now, and I'm here with the target on my chest, although not pink, today. Have at it!
Getit
Point taken about the thread - perhaps I or someone should have made a new thread: "MH after one year." He was appointed on July 11, 2013.
But I do dispute several comments in your post and feel it worth making follow-on comments on the Board:
1. On the June 24 update, MH did indeed scream safety first. Please review his prepared comments - first sentence '....safety will ALWAYS be our highest priority.' (His CAPS, not mine.) Safety comments appear twice more in his one-page comments on drilling.
My view is he is hiding behind safety, rather than explaining why they're having problems drilling WHEN THEY'VE DRILLED 9 OTHER WELLS IN THE BASIN!
It is abyssmal performance. As many on this board are not in the industy, I though it worthwhihle to point out this fact.
2. IOC are planning and supervising operations on-site, and are NOT relying on Contract drillers and others for planning and supervision. IOC are responsible - this is a fact of how oilfield operations are conducted. There are contractors on the rig, of course, but ultimate responsibility is IOCs.
And if they got lousy rigs, isn't that IOC's fault for accepting those rigs? (Answer: yes.) They certainly would have done rig inspections prior to contracting.
3. On the refinery and distribution business, sure appears the market did not like our sale - straight down from $64 and change to $59+. Is this pps swoon related to the refinery sale? Dunno, but the timing sure matches.
And where was this sale outlined as part of our strategy? As late as April 14 strategy was stabilize/monetize (development)/secure - no headsup about refocussing on only E&P. Slide 14 says NOTHING about possible sale.
I think the pps swoon is in part the market saying 'where the heck did this come from, and what next?' Where is the predictability?
4. Whiners? Not hardly. I've posted once on this issue and presented facts (mostly.) I thought the purpose of the message board was to share information and views, positive OR NEGATIVE. Maybe I'm wrong.
5. I truly would like to move on but am not ready to take my 20% haircut yet - getting close with MH's performance, but as others note there is long-term (3+ years?) upside. Its very painful, however, to have NO substantive updates and then things like the refinery sale happen out of the blue.
Poor management performance is all I can say. And terrible communications. Someone needs to tall MH he's not working at Woodside anymore, and updates are appropriate for a small, now no-revenue company.
GLTAL
Indo, I appreciate your apparent experience at some level in the industry and welcome any such experience on the Board, and you are not among the worst of the repetitive whiners imo. However, I do dispute some of your disputes.
1. It disappoints and angers me for someone to take something I wrote out of context and redefine and misstate it, and you did that here. It gives me the impression of at best carelessness or at worst dishonesty or incompetence, as you accuse Hession of. I did NOT say, "Hession did not scream safety first." I said, quote, "Saying, by the way, that at the June 24 update, Hession JUST screamed safety first AND gave no substantive information about the problems and delays being experienced is a false statement." He did NOT JUST do that, and he DID make various specific comments about why they were having problems, whether you think they were sufficient or not. Reread the transcript. If you want to express the opinion those are not real and he's "hiding behind safety", that's fine; but do not misstate what I said. Furthermore, Hession and his team have NOT "DRILLED 9 OTHER WELLS IN THE BASIN"; THAT IS FALSE, THEY'VE DRILLED ZERO UNTIL NOW. You had an "abysmal performance" on this dispute item.
2. Obviously, "ultimate responsibility" for the wells belongs to management, which I would say are taking responsibility, but I seriously doubt they are working as drilling bosses or supervisors on three simultaneous 24/7 operations at different locations in PNG, and not everything in new prospects exploration drilling can be predicted or timed, with shared reliance on others for resolving problems. This management did not "accept" rigs 2 and 3 from "contractors" and had never used them before. They were owned by and inherited from IOC and what they had to use by lease-related deadlines. In fact, IOC had never used RIG 3, which is at Wahoo, period. I can't say no one has screwed up on anything, but you also don't have enough detailed information to say everything is just excuses. Of course, I'm sure you could have done better in the same circumstances.
3. I would say you are out of your field on this one and dead wrong. The stock was up $1.06 with the market down the day of the sale announcement, and trying to suggest the decline from the $64 price after that to now was caused by the sale is ridiculous. Public companies do not normally discuss or "announce" full or partial acquisitions before they are final and formally announced. They also are not usually "predicted" by investors, even if there has been discussion of such possibilities. That's why they are usually accompanied by significant price changes; ever notice that? This sale was not at the level of an overall strategy for the Company, and it would not have been wise or even appropriate to show it as a "strategy" or a component thereof, especially without knowing it was practical or even possible with an appropriate buyer at a good price. However, I certainly regard it as fitting in well with the strategies of monetizing our resources and securing our future through successful exploration and profitable growth, as I indicated above.
4. I have no problem with your view of the message board as stated.
5. I think there is also significant shorter-term upside than your 3+ years. I would also like more and better updates, but I think claiming "NO substantive updates" is inaccurate. Your conclusion of "poor management performance" is certainly your right but subjective in large part. I say it's a HUGE improvement, and am very glad and thankful to have them at this point.
Excellent comments Getit.
Excellent? Ridiculous.
How many wells did MH say they'd drilled at the Jan or later press conference? Was it 8 or 9? Or maybe he did not say that because that does not sit with the story here. Have better things to do than check, but I know he said it. To claim that they've (IOC) drilled no wells is ludicrous.
And to say no wellsite supervision is simply ignorant. Companies in the oilfield always have a superintendent, drllg supervisors, wellsite geologists etc AT EACH RIG (supt might be in town, along with support staff). Those on this board who have never been in the oilfield or on a rig, please refrain from stupid nonsense and commenting. Be honest enough to say you 'don't know' and refrain from commenting. It really is frustrating to respond to pedantic nonsense.
And I'm afraid MH did hide behind safety and gave no specifics. I believe that is a true statement, and getit said it was false which is where we disagree Maybe what he said is sufficient for the 'walk on water' MH crowd, but for anyone with any knowledge of drilling it was an abyssmally poor. "Dog ate my homework" explanation, and deserves to be s___canned for it.
And where did they signal to the market that they would dispose of R&M? No place. The drop in share price is likely a direct result of management without a plan or ANY proven ability to execute but doing things without signalling.
And lets see, we're 120 days in on 3, 90-day wells and we've not yet reached the target zones - great performance. Not even one well to TD, but thats not MH's fault.
As I said. Ridiculous. And enough on this.
GLTAL.
Yes, it is enough from you. You take us to all be dumbasses? or do you think those not in your field are? fwiw, you may be in the field, but unless you've been on site in ioc png, you don't know amy more than us. trans
RE: Where are the Elephants? - Nolan - 07-09-2014
Don't shoot the messenger. Stock down almost 10% since the sale and probably going to mid 50s.
RE: Where are the Elephants? - Indoreservoir - 07-10-2014
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Yes, it is enough from you. You take us to all be dumbasses? or do you think those not in your field are? fwiw, you may be in the field, but unless you've been on site in ioc png, you don't know amy more than us. trans
My apologies to confuse you with facts that may contradict your views and burst your bubble.
But I must say I don't think anyone is a "dumbass" - thats for every individual to show by the accuracy of their comments and others (knowlegable) to judge. I've not seen any comments from you, but I admit to not checking.
But frankly I don't care.
I give my comments from someone who has looked at these properties and operated extensively in this region. If you want, ignore it. I don't care. But if you dispute something I say, at least support it with facts. '
Is that too much to ask?
If I'm wrong fine, show me where AND SUPPORT IT. I can assure you that having been on rigs around the region the standard operating staffing is as I've described. Do I need to get you a reference? If I did I suspect it would be ignored as was the POS numbers from AAPG I provided earlier - its a bitch when the facts interfere with your views!
Those POS numbers have now been echoed by MH, but of course thats ignored - hey, can't be right coz I believe otherwise! (Its odd that actually I applaud MH for this intellectual truth - unfortunate he can't get anything else done - at least heretofore.)
GLTAL
I have to add that I won't bother anyone with further comments - PM me if you want to discuss.
Am keen to see whether the evil axis can steal the election here in Indonesia. its clear from quick counts that Jokowi/Kalla won by some 5%, but we'll see when the formal results are announced on 21 July or thereabouts. Watching the election coverage in Jakarta is incredible - the stations controlled by Prabowo et al do not reference any quick count results- NONE. Jokowi-aligned stations show all the poll results - good and bad.
RE: Where are the Elephants? - Palm - 07-10-2014
Ridiculous? Ridiculous.
Can't find the quote on how many wells? Well in a printed release last night (which you tend to prefer) I found one (if you need a copy let me know) that stated "up to 8 wells". "Up to". You see in most countries (PNG included) you have to go through many steps and get permission for clearing drill sites and actually drilling. That's been discussed and laid out here many times and its part of the PNG O&G Act. You might pick up a copy when you get a chance. You can't just say you're going to drill a number of wells and start poking holes like a woodpecker in a pine tree (trying to lighten it up a bit).
Your views on management are yours to have, but they are here to stay. Sounds like your LT plans may not jibe with theirs; may want to do something about that. It's amazing though that last year you were running articles on SA about how under old management companies like Shell had to have IOC's NG prolific assets. New management has a much a much better chance of pulling off the LNG plan with a super major than prior and has gained the credibility both with the SMs AND the investment bankers. If you don't think so, give one you know a call. If you don't have one you can call, get a trusted friend with connections to do it. If you don't have that connection, not sure what you do, but your view of management is almost polar opposite from what feedback many of us get from the investment professionals. I trust their's.
You may have some great field experience and that's appreciated. Hope you can hang in there, but sounds like you may need to see if this still makes sense for you.
Good luck.
RE: Where are the Elephants? - jdeo1969 - 07-10-2014
'Indoreservoir' pid='46627' datel Wrote:
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Yes, it is enough from you. You take us to all be dumbasses? or do you think those not in your field are? fwiw, you may be in the field, but unless you've been on site in ioc png, you don't know amy more than us. trans
My apologies to confuse you with facts that may contradict your views and burst your bubble.
But I must say I don't think anyone is a "dumbass" - thats for every individual to show by the accuracy of their comments and others (knowlegable) to judge. I've not seen any comments from you, but I admit to not checking.
But frankly I don't care.
I give my comments from someone who has looked at these properties and operated extensively in this region. If you want, ignore it. I don't care. But if you dispute something I say, at least support it with facts. '
Is that too much to ask?
If I'm wrong fine, show me where AND SUPPORT IT. I can assure you that having been on rigs around the region the standard operating staffing is as I've described. Do I need to get you a reference? If I did I suspect it would be ignored as was the POS numbers from AAPG I provided earlier - its a bitch when the facts interfere with your views!
Those POS numbers have now been echoed by MH, but of course thats ignored - hey, can't be right coz I believe otherwise! (Its odd that actually I applaud MH for this intellectual truth - unfortunate he can't get anything else done - at least heretofore.)
GLTAL
I have to add that I won't bother anyone with further comments - PM me if you want to discuss.
Am keen to see whether the evil axis can steal the election here in Indonesia. its clear from quick counts that Jokowi/Kalla won by some 5%, but we'll see when the formal results are announced on 21 July or thereabouts. Watching the election coverage in Jakarta is incredible - the stations controlled by Prabowo et al do not reference any quick count results- NONE. Jokowi-aligned stations show all the poll results - good and bad.
I am not even certain what the big dust up here is all about. I for one, am no industry professional. I am looking at this through the lens of what makes good business sense.
My singular conclusion regarding the drilling is that Hession should not have given a timeline had he not been absolutely certain that the timeline would be met. That is a common sense approach to anything in life, not exclusive to the Oil and Gas business. I am not sure why so many are so fervently defending Hession in this regard when the absolute proof is right there for all to see. He gave timelines and they were missed. Is it the end of the world? I hope not, and I don;t think so. perhaps something more is in play to which we are not privy, but I can't for a second understand why we cannot look at the facts and be critical of the CEO when he puts out a timeline and misses it. Badly misses it. Someone please explain that to me. Let's not put this guy on a pedestal. It erodes credibility when we are not critical of the man in charge when he doesn't meet his own timeline. Just call it what it is and move on. He missed his own deadline. Big deal, move ahead Hession and get this done.
Good luck longs
Jdeo
RE: Where are the Elephants? - ArtM72 - 07-10-2014
Does anyone else wonder if Hession's shutdown of IOC's construction group as his first order of business (in "streamlining the company" nearly a year ago has had an impact on the company's ability to execute its well program?
Relative to the surprise sale of IOC's downstream, it was August of last year in the 2013 2Q presentation where Hession said he was, " Streamlining the Company with a clear focus on the core business units of oil refining, wholesale
and retail petroleum distribution, monetization of gas and exploration." (page 5) and the plan to "Focus on core PNG assets: Refining, Distribution, Resource Monitization and Exploration." (page 19). So within a week of the AGM our CEO and his team sold off half of what he considered IOC's core assets.
By the way, what was actually sold to Puma might still be a matter of some conjecture. The July 7, 2014 SEDAR filing on the sales agreement did not include any of the key Schedules referenced in the agreement. Somehow, I have to believe all parts of an agreement in such a filing should be included in the filing. Absent those Schedules it is impossible to know what the agreement actually contains. This is just like the SPA with Total where the referenced JVOA was missing. I have little doubt these omissions violate the intent of security laws that are supposed to protect shareholders of public companies.
RE: Where are the Elephants? - admin - 07-10-2014
["My singular conclusion regarding the drilling is that Hession should not have given a timeline had he not been absolutely certain that the timeline would be met."]
Weren't these like "P50" estimates, expectations for 'normal' circumstances but full of but's and if's if things get tricky (which they have..)?
But in a way I'm with you Jdeo as drilling and testing simply takes the time it takes, given the circumstance, equipment, and crew. Can't bend iron with bare hands..
RE: Where are the Elephants? - cybersssss - 07-10-2014
I appreciate the input of industry professionals like Indo. We are all free to make our own decisions. To berate him for his opinion is in my view not appropriate. Not to long ago on seeking alpha he was involved in a long dispute with some of the frequent nay sayers and very smartly convinced them and others that extended flow tests were not necessary. At that time everyone was happy with what he had to say. To pick and chose to what suits your agenda...well, enough of that.
I, as many of you are, am disappointed with the delay in information and overall delays in general. That the reality. It may not be managements fault but it may. We just do not know. While I do not give MH an F on his performance thus far, I give him an F an communication skills. The rest we will only know with time.
Waiting for drill results...
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