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Toro DD in Beijing: Day 1 - tacitusk - 11-06-2013
Quote: RE: Toro DD in Beijing: Day 1 - quantumvibes - 11-06-2013 Thanks for the heads-up! I'm supposing that as IPO lead manager, it's completely reasonable for Piper to suspend its rating on NQ, especially in order to demonstrate impartiality under the circumstances (which include a former PJ employee working as NQ cfo). I'm sure they're gearing up to do more dd and looking to obtain more data before publishing an updated rating. RE: Toro DD in Beijing: Day 1 - admin - 11-06-2013 There is an interesting discussion at the end of one of these articles:
6) What are the details of the CCTV retraction NQ put in writing occurred the very next day after it aired?
1. we are not the company's HR department, so what we say should be taken with a grain of salt, but... Our understanding of the matter is that Ms. Xu was a successful businesswoman with connections to angel investors (including Xu Zhou, who was one of the original angels for NQ, as well as H9 and YDT, later). She introduced Xu Zhou to Henry and Vincent when they needed seed capital for their business. Over time, as NQ became a successful company with more scale, Ms. Xu was asked to help out. We did not verify which exact periods, down to the exact date, corresponded to Xu the employee vs. Xu the consultant because, frankly, we really do not believe such details matter much. We understand others think it's a huge deal, but we don't (and this DD is obviously for us and our investors first and foremost). The shareholders of the two companies she currently runs are herself (majority) and minority angels (e.g Xu Zhou). However, we have not verified the official cap table for those companies because we do not have access to them (nobody but the government and the company does). The SAIC filings show no other NQ insider as shareholder. RE: Toro DD in Beijing: Day 1 - kshen - 11-06-2013 Also note Thank you Toro. Another question to ask has been raised by Dr. Gillis(your accounting authority) in an newer post: He writes: "So, how did that $145 million get there? Given China’s exchange controls I see only one way to get dollars into a VIE. That is to find someone inside China who has a big pile of RMB and who wants to exchange it for dollars. So, you find Mr. Wang who has 650 million renminbi. We won’t ask how he got it. Mr. Wang could go to the bank and exchange $50,000 per year. If he had 2,097 friends help him, each taking out $50,000, he could get the money out in one year. Or, to do it all at once you could offer to deposit $100 million in Mr. Wang’s Hong Kong account if he will deposit his 650 million renminbi in your China account. (You can get a great exchange rate this way as well). There are a number of variations on this approach (Rocky Lee suggested one in the article that has also been used by public companies). There are middlemen who do these transactions. A lot of wealth has left China in this fashion, all in violations of China’s exchange controls. But perhaps NQ Mobile found a better, legal way to do it. I am all ears." Any thoughts on this aspect? 5 Nov, 03:44 PMReply! Report AbuseLike0 Toro Investment Partners Comments (109) We are of course all over it, since that is a topic we agree is important, and will report back as we gain enough of an understanding to address it responsibly. We have a meeting set up tomorrow for this specific purpose. More importantly than our opinion will be what Shearman and Sterling and Deloitte think of that post, of course. That will come out when the investigation concludes. But we will share our view shortly, stay tuned. here is new article by Dr Gillis http://www.chinaaccountingblog.com/weblog/scorecard-on-nq-mobile.html RE: Toro DD in Beijing: Day 1 - chenlica - 11-06-2013
'kshen' pid='30983' datel Wrote:Also note Thank you Toro. Another question to ask has been raised by Dr. Gillis(your accounting authority) in an newer post: He writes: "So, how did that $145 million get there? Given China’s exchange controls I see only one way to get dollars into a VIE. That is to find someone inside China who has a big pile of RMB and who wants to exchange it for dollars. So, you find Mr. Wang who has 650 million renminbi. We won’t ask how he got it. Mr. Wang could go to the bank and exchange $50,000 per year. If he had 2,097 friends help him, each taking out $50,000, he could get the money out in one year. Or, to do it all at once you could offer to deposit $100 million in Mr. Wang’s Hong Kong account if he will deposit his 650 million renminbi in your China account. (You can get a great exchange rate this way as well). There are a number of variations on this approach (Rocky Lee suggested one in the article that has also been used by public companies). There are middlemen who do these transactions. A lot of wealth has left China in this fashion, all in violations of China’s exchange controls. But perhaps NQ Mobile found a better, legal way to do it. I am all ears." Any thoughts on this aspect? 5 Nov, 03:44 PMReply! Report AbuseLike0 Toro Investment Partners Comments (109) We are of course all over it, since that is a topic we agree is important, and will report back as we gain enough of an understanding to address it responsibly. We have a meeting set up tomorrow for this specific purpose. More importantly than our opinion will be what Shearman and Sterling and Deloitte think of that post, of course. That will come out when the investigation concludes. But we will share our view shortly, stay tuned. here is new article by Dr Gillis http://www.chinaaccountingblog.com/weblog/scorecard-on-nq-mobile.html that 50,000 per year limit is for personal allowance like travel abroad, study or simply pleasure visit. im sure the exchange control works differently for companies. these are so many import and export companies in this country, no way each of them using friends' yearly allowance to receive foreign currency! RE: Toro DD in Beijing: Day 1 - kshen - 11-06-2013 There is definitely ways to get around that. Also not enforced that well. I remember going to china and exchanging 60K RMB with someone who was at the bank who wanted USD. He did it through the bank with me where we both went to the teller and had the teller do the exchange for us using his bank account RE: Toro DD in Beijing: Day 1 - chenlica - 11-06-2013 China has a large foreign exchange reserve. that 50,000USD limit i believe only applies to individuals who require this money for personal purpose. by enforcing this policy the country effectively prevents unexpected large outflow from its reserve, and maintains the stability of its financial system. That said, if it is for business purpose, like companies sending or receiving foreign exchange, they will need to file with or report to the authorities(State Foreigh Currency Control Bureau or something) before settling the cash. In fact, Chinese government encourages companies to "earn" more foreign exchanges. I would not worry at all if I had in this case 145 millions USD to settle in China, as long as this fund is clean. RE: Toro DD in Beijing: Day 1 - quantumvibes - 11-06-2013 I remember when reading MW's report this issue regarding the vie had piqued my curiosity and so I was hoping there'd be a corresponding question on the cc. Good to know Toro is on the case and intends to report back. In the meantime, any other ideas, opinions? |