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Are there any clues from Oneill? - Printable Version +- ShareholdersUnite Forums (http://shareholdersunite.com/mybb) +-- Forum: Companies (http://shareholdersunite.com/mybb/forumdisplay.php?fid=1) +--- Forum: InterOil Forum (http://shareholdersunite.com/mybb/forumdisplay.php?fid=4) +--- Thread: Are there any clues from Oneill? (/showthread.php?tid=6313) |
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Are there any clues from Oneill? - jdeo1969 - 03-30-2014
RE: Are there any clues from Oneill? - jdeo1969 - 03-30-2014
Perhaps I should explain why I have arrived at that conclusion. To my knowledge, O'neill is yet to speak publicly about the Total/IOC closing. OSH received their funds for the acquisition how? "Oil Search is pleased to announce the completion of its acquisition of the relevant Pac LNG Group Companies holding a 22.835% gross interest in Petroleum Retention Licence 15 (PRL 15), containing the Elk/Antelope gas discoveries in Papua New Guinea. The purchase was funded by a placement of 149.39 million fully paid ordinary shares to the Independent State of Papua New Guinea" http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-business/oil-search-boosts-2014-targets-20140227-33kyx.html RE: Are there any clues from Oneill? - jft310 - 03-30-2014 The Exxon proposal that Byker worked on was for them to buy a module of gas. There was no LNG participation. Hession came in and killed the deal. The quote at that time was "We are not gonna give up our future for a quick deal today" . This is a battle over LNG participation rights. If Exxon wants our gas we must have LNG participation. The battle must be over how much..I think ONeil bangs heads and we sell some gas with LNG participation to PNGLNG. Then we find more and build our own plant. Everyone wins. RE: Are there any clues from Oneill? - jdeo1969 - 03-30-2014
(03-30-2014, 02:48 AM)jft310 Wrote: The Exxon proposal that Byker worked on was for them to buy a module of gas. There was no LNG participation. Hession came in and killed the deal. The quote at that time was "We are not gonna give up our future for a quick deal today" . This is a battle over LNG participation rights. If Exxon wants our gas we must have LNG participation. The battle must be over how much..I think ONeil bangs heads and we sell some gas with LNG participation to PNGLNG. Then we find more and build our own plant. Everyone wins.
Understood JFT. My point is larger here, that I believe Oneill wants XOM, and for that we need a pct of the PNG/LNG project. And that this OSH move could move us in that direction. I am trying to illutrate that Oneill, like any politician, sees those numbers for GDP and has to think which route is fastest to realizing that.
RE: Are there any clues from Oneill? - jft310 - 03-30-2014 Makes perfect sense RE: Are there any clues from Oneill? - Palm - 03-30-2014 I agree. These are the things I've been pointing to for some time. I have yet to see in O'Neill's public statements since Dec 5th 2013 any acknowledgement of the IOC and Total deal(s). Nothing. This plus his sacking of Duma who opposed Exxon being involved based on anti-competitive grounds (and supported by ICCC concerns on same) seems to indicate a certain level of wanting to influence where PRL 15 gas goes. Does he want 100% of what it takes to max out the current PNG LNG plant first before building a new plant? Does he want first commitment on train 3, then a new plant can be built? We obviously don't know, but I agree that he was very excited (as well parliament outside of Duma) back in May when exclusive talks were announced. The fact that even parliament was seen cheering the exclusive talks also says a lot IMHO. If that's still the case (that they favor Exxon) it's hard to know where the Total/IOC deal goes. But it seems outside of Polye and a few others they support the gov purchase of the OSH 10.1% stake. We have the gas and the bigs want it. Hard to say now where it ends up going. RE: Are there any clues from Oneill? - CAC - 03-30-2014
'jdeo1969' pid='40527' datel Wrote:
Understood JFT. My point is larger here, that I believe Oneill wants XOM, and for that we need a pct of the PNG/LNG project. And that this OSH move could move us in that direction. I am trying to illutrate that Oneill, like any politician, sees those numbers for GDP and has to think which route is fastest to realizing that. *************** I think that could be right JDEO. But how does O'neil get us that percentage if XOM/OSH refuse to offer it? I think O'Neil is "quiet" because he is balancing his desire for the gas to go to the existing plant against a competing desire to avoid being perceived as heavy-handed. He wants other companies to feel confident they can do business in PNG without fear. He has tried to move PNG away from the corruption and back-ally dealings (remember his comments about Shell needing to come in through the front door?), so I doubt he wants to be seen as the direct cause of the TOT deal failing...even if that's what he would like to see happen. To have much effect, it seems to me that O'Neil's influence would need to be towards OSH/XOM moreso than towards IOC. I am guessing that the exclusive negotiations with XOM would have ended with a deal if OSH/XOM would have shared enough plant-equity. If we assume those negotiations failed because XOM wouldn't do so...the question might become...Can O'Neil influence XOM/OSH to meet or beat TOT's equity offer? And even if XOM became willing to do so (either now...or after the OSH ploy fails to get the gas), what happens to the deal with TOT? And even a complete buyout now seems unlikely to solve the dilemna from O'Neil's perspective. If TOT buys IOC then they, rather than XOM, develop the gas. And if XOM buys out IOC aren't they then second-fiddle to TOT (as IOC currently is under the new agreement) with regard to E/A? Maybe we actually do want the TOT deal voided (if we now think XOM has moved past their initial "low balling" negotiations)??? I have thought that "clarity" was right around the corner for about three years now...but this saga never seems to end.
RE: Are there any clues from Oneill? - jdeo1969 - 03-30-2014 My point is larger here, that I believe Oneill wants XOM, and for that we need a pct of the PNG/LNG project. And that this OSH move could move us in that direction. I am trying to illutrate that Oneill, like any politician, sees those numbers for GDP and has to think which route is fastest to realizing that. *************** I think that could be right JDEO. But how does O'neil get us that percentage if XOM/OSH refuse to offer it? I think O'Neil is "quiet" because he is balancing his desire for the gas to go to the existing plant against a competing desire to avoid being perceived as heavy-handed. He wants other companies to feel confident they can do business in PNG without fear. He has tried to move PNG away from the corruption and back-ally dealings (remember his comments about Shell needing to come in through the front door?), so I doubt he wants to be seen as the direct cause of the TOT deal failing...even if that's what he would like to see happen. To have much effect, it seems to me that O'Neil's influence would need to be towards OSH/XOM moreso than towards IOC. I am guessing that the exclusive negotiations with XOM would have ended with a deal if OSH/XOM would have shared enough plant-equity. If we assume those negotiations failed because XOM wouldn't do so...the question might become...Can O'Neil influence XOM/OSH to meet or beat TOT's equity offer? And even if XOM became willing to do so (either now...or after the OSH ploy fails to get the gas), what happens to the deal with TOT? And even a complete buyout now seems unlikely to solve the dilemna from O'Neil's perspective. If TOT buys IOC then they, rather than XOM, develop the gas. And if XOM buys out IOC aren't they then second-fiddle to TOT (as IOC currently is under the new agreement) with regard to E/A? Maybe we actually do want the TOT deal voided (if we now think XOM has moved past their initial "low balling" negotiations)??? I have thought that "clarity" was right around the corner for about three years now...but this saga never seems to end.
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We are thinking along the very same lines. I believe that Oneill is doing what you suggest, and that is to me a sign that things have changed in PNG under his leadership. he is not forcing IOC/OSH/XOM/TOT to do anything, but to address your comment about his influence on XOM, I think that could definitely benefit IOC. Our licenses are renewed, so he clearly sees IOC as a partner to PNG. Perhaps he could help us get our equity in the plant by playing mediator. To your point here, "And even a complete buyout now seems unlikely to solve the dilemna from O'Neil's perspective. If TOT buys IOC then they, rather than XOM, develop the gas. And if XOM buys out IOC aren't they then second-fiddle to TOT (as IOC currently is under the new agreement) with regard to E/A? " I believe a buyout is now MORE likely that the deal with total was inked, becasue in order to guarantee that the gas from PRL 15 goes to their plant, XOM has to have a majority interest. If they were to buy our 35%, then they and OSH now own a majority of PRL 15. This also puts pressure on Total to buy us out if they are dead set on their own PNG/LNG plant. I may be thinking this through incorrectly from the legal standpoint of ownership, but on the surface that conclusion seems logical to me. So to sum up, I believe this OSH action is going to make a complete buyout (with IOC sitting in a good position to entertain a bidding war between two Super Majors) more of a likelihood.
RE: Are there any clues from Oneill? - CAC - 03-30-2014
'jdeo1969' pid='40536' datel Wrote: CAC,
We are thinking along the very same lines. I believe that Oneill is doing what you suggest, and that is to me a sign that things have changed in PNG under his leadership. he is not forcing IOC/OSH/XOM/TOT to do anything, but to address your comment about his influence on XOM, I think that could definitely benefit IOC. Our licenses are renewed, so he clearly sees IOC as a partner to PNG. Perhaps he could help us get our equity in the plant by playing mediator. To your point here, "And even a complete buyout now seems unlikely to solve the dilemna from O'Neil's perspective. If TOT buys IOC then they, rather than XOM, develop the gas. And if XOM buys out IOC aren't they then second-fiddle to TOT (as IOC currently is under the new agreement) with regard to E/A? " I believe a buyout is now MORE likely that the deal with total was inked, becasue in order to guarantee that the gas from PRL 15 goes to their plant, XOM has to have a majority interest. If they were to buy our 35%, then they and OSH now own a majority of PRL 15. This also puts pressure on Total to buy us out if they are dead set on their own PNG/LNG plant. I may be thinking this through incorrectly from the legal standpoint of ownership, but on the surface that conclusion seems logical to me. So to sum up, I believe this OSH action is going to make a complete buyout (with IOC sitting in a good position to entertain a bidding war between two Super Majors) more of a likelihood. *********** Very good point!! I had forgotten that the XOM shares (after a buyout of IOC) could combine with OSH and become the majority E/A owner. This has to make TOT concerned. Unless they just didn't see this scenario as a possibility, it makes me wonder even more why IOC (or even TOT) didn't do whatever it took to outbid OSH.
RE: Are there any clues from Oneill? - jdeo1969 - 03-30-2014 Kaliboo posted this on another thread earlier: Which company is the better prize for Total to buy now? OSH or IOC??? Maybe both??? Hmmm. Nice opportunity to box XOM out of the game completely. This speaks to the poker game I am supposing is going on. IOC is the smallest fish in the pond, so to speak, so they are the natural target. Which is why many here, myself included want to drill fast and prove up more resources. I am very hopeful this OSH maneuver is the catalyst that sets into motion the much ballyhooed "bidding war" that would reward IOC shareholders. I understand that there are many who do not want that to happen, but IOC seems to have a very good hand in this game. |