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Where are the Elephants? - petrengr1 - 07-08-2014
Where are the Elephants? RE: Where are the Elephants? - calvin grad - 07-08-2014 I am hoping that we have 20T that ties back to EA. What are the chances of this being true? RE: Where are the Elephants? - Putncalls - 07-08-2014 20 Ts may be true in a couple of years but the gas is worth what it will pay. E/A is currently valued at around 25 bucks based on 7 MTPA of production in 6 or 7 years. If the A/E certification is close to the GLJ estimate that means another 20 bucks per share from Total in cash but IOC's E/A gas value is still 25$ until the LNG capacity is increased. E/A gas is currently valued at 45 cents per GCA estimate. With 7MTPA planned the price per E/A MCF actually declines with more gas. That said the E/A gas value goes up as the time to A LNG declines. Next year at this time the E/A gas should be worth 65 bucks given todays data. RE: Where are the Elephants? - Getitrt2 - 07-08-2014 Puts, I don't know where you're getting a $25/sh "value" for E/A, but the professionals at Macquarrie certainly do not appear to agree with you. On a risked basis assuming the old GCA 7.1 tcf estimates they assign a discounted Net Present Value for IOC of $37.85 for Antelope LNG plus $14.30 for projected additional Total resource payments, for a total NPV of $52.15/sh! I give that much more credibility. Furthermore, increased resource estimates provide geometric upside from there, in addition to risk reduction and the passage of time. That includes nothing, or course, for Triceratops, the exploration assets, and the refinery and downstream value. RE: Where are the Elephants? - Putncalls - 07-08-2014 Ummm. I got more than half my numbers from McGuire. What is 62-40? That is the current PS value of A/E gas. My and any other model that uses Future Cash Flow from E/A will come up with a similar number. In Jan I calculated 0 for E/A Using my FCF model (40$ PS) In Mar I calculated 17$ (57$ PS) Today I calculated 23$ (63$ PS) Not bad if I may say so myself. I should probably lower the 250$/SH post A LNG value a bit using the 8$ break even number. I could use 6.5 years instead of 7.5 years from SPA to A LNG but this is PNG. RE: Where are the Elephants? - calvin grad - 07-08-2014
'Putncalls' pid='46439' datel Wrote:20 Ts may be true in a couple of years but the gas is worth what it will pay. E/A is currently valued at around 25 bucks based on 7 MTPA of production in 6 or 7 years. If the A/E certification is close to the GLJ estimate that means another 20 bucks per share from Total in cash but IOC's E/A gas value is still 25$ until the LNG capacity is increased. E/A gas is currently valued at 45 cents per GCA estimate. With 7MTPA planned the price per E/A MCF actually declines with more gas. That said the E/A gas value goes up as the time to A LNG declines. Next year at this time the E/A gas should be worth 65 bucks given todays data.
I dont understand. what you said about 20ts Seems to me that one could assume a future price of 9.00 per mcf. Thats total revenue of 180 billion. Lets say plant cost 15 and pipeline is 5. XOM says theres cost 23.but not sure if that includes interest or not. 180 less 20 is 160. Oil offsets production costs.. Lets say interest is30 billion. Now we have left 130. Ioc share is 35. What is the present value of that 35 It seems to me the more Ts that are proven the more likely that FID will be a go.. More Ts would seem to reduce the unit costs of pipeline I understand that Antelope Deep is included in PR15 and agrrement with Total encompasses any resouce at Antelope Deep.. What about Raptor and Bobcat? Does IOC retain their current percentage or do OSH and Total need to purchase interest from IOC?
RE: Where are the Elephants? - Putncalls - 07-08-2014 Wow Calvin that is a lot of questions. Given that Total will give IOC 1.1 billion (CGA) dollars before FID I think FID is a given. I hear 2016 being used as the year of the FID. If revenue was based on 9$/MCF (EBITDA) or 450$/tonn, a 7.1MTPA plant would yield 3.2 billion per year. IOC's take would be .365 of 3.2 or 1.2 billion or 20$/sh. Assuming a PPS value of 10x cash flow that would be 200$/share. The key number since DEC 1941(oops 3013) is A LNG EBITDA. We should include condensates also BTW. IOC gets a small amount of cash from A deep plus 36.5% of the hydrocarbons as I understand. If A deep is full of NG and connected, share holders make a lot of money real fast but unlikely. RE: Where are the Elephants? - CesiumFormate - 07-08-2014
'calvin grad' pid='46446' dateline='<a href="tel:1404761 Wrote:
I do not believe Antelope Deep is in the Elk Antelope agreement unless there is communication on pressure tests. Hession said he hopes they are in communication, but he stated with the ridge between them it is unlikely. Hemi, I believe you were standing near Hession after the meeting when he stated this. Can you confirm? CF RE: Where are the Elephants? - Getitrt2 - 07-08-2014 Antelope Deep IS in PRL 15 and the agreement with Total, and as a potential gas source for the LNG, but as a separate bonus arrangement unless "in communication" with E/A. RE: Where are the Elephants? - Getitrt2 - 07-08-2014 Petrengr1, Did you notice in the 7/3 RJ "Brief", they said, "It would be rather academic (and, frankly, useless) to talk about anything resembling results before the wells reach total depth and can be tested, so the market will simply need to be patient. That said, these are all multi-Tcf targets, and Raptor has liquids potential in addition to gas.". Also, I feel sure you are aware that on the Raptor slide of the May 14 presentation, and I think others, they indicated, "First test of new trend near Puri-1 oil discovery"; but my impression is that the oil flow there did not last. It seems to me that all this is relevant also to the plans to drill Puri Deep and Kereru Deep on the Raptor trend in the future, as you indicate. I know there's a hesitation to talk about oil at this point, but it's mentioned in previous presentations and apparently is coming up at roadshow presentations and meetings. Any comments you care to make on all this? |