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SAC Capital Is Indicted
#11
With IOC at 84; If they have a short position it is not an a positive asset. How do they manipulate that position when they are being watched?
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#12

'Putncalls' pid='26250' datel Wrote:Does this mean that SAC and other HFs will be more careful when it comes to manipulation?

I think this is about trading on inside information. Manipulation is a different problem but it should also be addressed by the SEC.

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#13

Looks like Wiretaps are taking down SAC (from Bloomberg ).  Maybe they will find info about IOC!!!

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#14
IOC has no float. East to manipulate , the stock desperately needs a multiple stock split
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#15


The CEO Of Overstock.com Took Out A Full Page Ad In The Wall Street Journal Mocking Steven Cohen


The firm, SAC Capital, has been charged with insider trading.

Byrne's animosity didn't come out of nowhere — back in 2010 the CEO of Overstock.com said that "Sith Lords" Michael Milken and SAC Capital's Steve Cohen were naked short-selling his stock and destroying the company.

And indeed, last year a bunch of lawyers for major banks accidentally leaked emails describing how they allegedly short-sold the stock and leaked techniques to hedge fund clients.

Now that you know where all the hate comes from, check out the ad below (via Instagram: ognjenglisic)

"Congratulations on the indictment, Stevie, and remember: roll early, roll often. You friend Patrick M. Byrne, CEO of Overstock.com," it reads. Major schadenfreude.

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#16


Lawyers For The Major Banks Accidentally Leaked E-mails About Their Clients Naked Short-Selling Overstock.com


For years, Overstock.com has been in a legal battle with Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, Merrill Lynch and more. The online retailer accuses the banks of naked short-selling its stock.

Overstock.com lost that battle, but they're still trying to get the banks to unseal documents that would prove their case.

According to Rolling Stone's Matt Taibbi, who posted the Plaintiff's motion on his blog, his publication, as well as The Economist, Bloomberg, and the New York Times, have been fighting to see the documents too. 

Fighting the banks is not easy, we know, but then recently, something magic happened. The Defendants' law firm, Morgan Lewis, committed a colossal screw up. During the discovery period, they neglected to redact sensitive e-mails from their clients. Then they sent them off to Overstock.com's legal team.

Morgan Lewis could not be reached for comment.

Overstock.com put excerpts of these e-mails in its motion to oppose the banks' motion to seal documents from the case. The online retailer alleges that these documents prove that the banks were not only engaged in short selling, but also leaking short positions (including Overstock.com) to hedge fund clients.

When Taibbi e-mailed Goldman about the allegation that the banks were leaking short positions, their response was as follows:

Among other services it provides, Securities Lending at Goldman provides market color information to clients regarding various activity in the securities lending marketplace on a security specific or sector specific basis. In accordance with the group's guidelines concerning the provision of market color, Mr. Masterson provided a client with certain aggregate information regarding short balances in certain securities. The information did not contain reference to any particular clients' short positions.

That shouldn't be very comforting to smaller clients.

And neither should these unredacted documents, because they're embarrassing. There's one e-mail a Merrill exec sent to his secretary that reads, "I have a meeting at 2 with Tom T, tell him I want an update on how we're going to fix fails and make 369 market makers fail."

Or there's the one where a Merrill President e-mailed "F*ck the compliance area, procedures schemcedures."

Overstock.com's motion says that, in many instances, bankers referred to the stock as the "enemy" and planned on "neutralizing" and "failing" the stock. They also explicitly told their clients they would allow them to do the same.

So what is failing the stock?

Briefly: Naked short selling (also known as 'failing' a stock) is super illegal. It's the practice of shorting a stock you've never actually borrowed. As you know, short-sellers pay to borrow stocks and then sell them back when the price drops. That's how they make a profit. If there's not enough supply to borrow a stock, or the borrowing is too expensive (like, 35% in some cases) the short won't work.

An expensive stock to borrow is called a negative rebate stock, and that is what Overstock.com allegedly was.

That's why it's especially bad that in Overstock.com's motion, one Merrill exec e-mails: "We are NOT borrowing negatives... I have made that clear from the beginning. Why would we want to borrow them? We want to fail them..."

Back to naked short-selling. When you don't actually locate a stock to borrow it, the short is "not a genuine expression of genuine market sentiment," says Overstock.com's motion. This act manipulates the market, creating false supply and depressing the value of the stock.

In Overstock.com's, case, they allege that fails created six times the supply of Overstock.com stock in 2005 and 2006.

One Goldman e-mail acknowledged that a lot of Overstock.com's increasing stocks were "trading at negative rebate with non-paying customers," according to Overstock.com's motion. The exact definition of a naked short.

We cannot wait to see what the Judge has to say in response to this tiff. Until then, check out  excerpts from Overstock.com's motion below.

"F*ck compliance", allowing clients to fail stocks, and recognition of illegality:

overstock.com motion

 :overstock.com motion

overstock's motion

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#17

Here is Jim Cramer:

Did you ever think that when you saw a stock move that someone knew something you didn't? Did you ever suspect that the "big boys" had the call and you were just a peon, someone to be fleeced in a game of Three-Card Stock Monte by people who had the inside skinny when you never could, people who knew what the quarter would be before it was reported, what the next takeover would be and where the next shortfall would occur? If you read the indictment of SAC Capital that was filed today, you can draw only one conclusion: Your suspicions were absolutely right.

Is Japan in Trouble?; SAC Capital: Cramer's Best Blogs - TheStreet

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#18

Actually the whole part is pretty interesting:

Did you ever suspect that the "big boys" had the call and you were just a peon, someone to be fleeced in a game of Three-Card Stock Monte by people who had the inside skinny when you never could, people who knew what the quarter would be before it was reported, what the next takeover would be and where the next shortfall would occur?

If you read the indictment of SAC Capital that was filed today, you can draw only one conclusion: Your suspicions were absolutely right. It was rigged by the big boys, at least by this multibillion-dollar hedge fund. The implication of this indictment is that they had the call pretty much consistently, meaning that they knew what was going to happen in a broad range of stocks, stocks too numerous to mention here but they include Nvidia (NVDA), Dell (DELL), Intel (INTC),Cisco (CSCO). Cypress Semi (CY), Broadcom (BRCM), Yahoo! (YHOO), Microsoft (MSFT),Research In Motion (BBRY) and AMD (AMD).

That's right, this indictment alleges that the firm basically and routinely knew what was going to happen ahead of time and if you were buying or selling those stocks you were just an uninformed dope. They had information, according to this document, that was as good as gold and they had it every day of the week. Now the government wants back what it perceives to be the ill-gotten proceeds of that information, something that would effectively wipe out SAC capital, if the indictment itself doesn't do that as brokerage firms may be reluctant to lend SAC Capital money, its lifeblood, because they fear that they might not see it back if the firm has to close its doors. That's how it has worked on Wall Street when a big firm has been indicted in the past, namely Drexel Burnham and before that EF Hutton, storied names brought down almost instantly by charges as heavy and as frightening as these.

Now, why is the firm being indicted you might ask, and not Steve Cohen if his firm is the alleged perpetrator of these crimes? Some would say that it's happening simply because the government couldn't nail Cohen. They had nothing on him. So this is desperation, just an act that says, "OK we have indicted many people connected to this firm, but no one has flipped against the man they worked for so we have to take action anyway because we can't let Cohen get away with it."

I don't think that's the case and it wasn't my sense of what the government would do when I interviewed Preet Bharara, the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York, last week at the Delivering Alpha conference.

To me, the government is saying, "look, Cohen recruited people who had an edge, typically an illegal edge, people who knew more than you do, people who were meant to find out things you couldn't, including genuine inside information that should not have been traded on, including information about all of those stocks mentioned above and many others."

The document then alleges that Cohen paid these recruits gigantic bonuses if they had the kind of perfect information that makes for fabulous, but illegal, gains, the kinds you always thought someone was getting all along.

The key to this case isn't that Cohen then took the inside information and then bought stocks on it. In fact, it's the opposite. The fraud the government believes happened here involves a process where Cohen was deliberately kept in the dark about why these analysts wanted to buy these stocks. The government alleges that the whole firm was predicated on the notion of "don't ask, don't tell," where Cohen wasn't supposed to ask why the analyst liked or disliked a stock and the analyst wasn't supposed to volunteer it.

If the government's right, then SAC was pretty much a criminal enterprise, an outfit set up to violate the law and keep the top guy insulated, the exact opposite of what's supposed to be happening at an honest firm. That kind of firm should be put out of business. It wrecks the level playing field. It makes us all feel like mugs. Firms, like people, are innocent until proven guilty, so I am anxious to see what Cohen says in response. But the main takeaway here is that you weren't being paranoid about stocks, you weren't wrong to think that someone did indeed have tomorrow's paper today and the government's just not going to let the firm keep what they perceive to be illegal gains, and, for that matter, let it continue to rig the game against you.

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