'kommonsents' pid='64854' datel Wrote:It's interesting when uninformed belief systems clash. In the case of climate, the debate rages on without a discussion of facts. Instead of facts, we substitute belief systems, propaganda held out as facts and insults of those that believe differently. And then there are all the PC phrases and words like pollution, CO2 is a pollutant, green house gases (negative connotation....on whose authority?), rising temperatures (based upon what reliable data), rising sea waters, efficient markets (is there such a thing?), man-caused climate change (used to be global warming, then climate chaos, now back to global warming although the actual temperatures don't support this...kinda arrogant to believe man can actually have more effect on Earth than the sun), deniers, polluters, obvious industry propaganda (haven't heard obvious government propaganda here yet though), pollution is free, (resolving climate) is a market based solution, denigrate the 3 scientists that present their opinions (because they are not the same as one's opinion), and on and on and on..... I'd hate to try to guess what the various posters' political leanings are but I bet I can with a high degree of accuracy.
But you have all the answers, right?
I simply refer to simple facts.
1) CO2 being a greenhouse gas
2) The levels of CO2 in the atmosphere having gone up tremendously from the industrial revolution onwards
3) The vast majority of climate scientists attributing this to our behaviour putting millions of tons of CO2 (and other greenhouse gasses, like methane) in the air
4) Any other explanation falls way short (see here)
It is curious that people who would normally accept standard science in other fields suddenly think they know better here.
I have a simple question for you:
You expoused a giant conspiracy theory here a couple of weeks ago, arguing it's all politicians in bed with scientists in order to hoist the hoax on climate change upon us in order to maintain their funding.
First off, if true, this must be a conspiracy on a truly epic scale, involving most governments and most climate scientists, the IMF, the World Bank, the UN, almost all universities, etc. etc.
My question is simply this: can you point out any such conspiracy on anywhere near similar scale? Thanks.