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07-04-2014, 08:47 AM
BTW nogetit getit! I designed the first commercially successful fiber optic transmitter when you were still a wet dream. Maybe you should learn to respect your elders!
07-04-2014, 09:00 AM
'Putncalls' pid='46324' datel Wrote:I thought a PM would be appropriate Getit. Given your fondness for public insults I can't help myself. You may think your more educated and astute than everyone else but you're not. Mcguire also had a strong buy on IOC years ago when it was at 75 BTW. You think you understand math? I doubt you could understand a transform or a matrix solution EVER! Here is another mathematical reason to own IOC that you don't have time to understand. Total = (1 + ROR)^years. IOC is tax free until you sell. I never thought any such thing compared to "everyone else", including about math; so you're wrong about that, too. Actually, IOC is tax deferred until you sell, unless it's in a Roth IRA. I didn't expect you to address anything about this objectively.
07-04-2014, 09:06 AM
'Putncalls' pid='46325' datel Wrote:BTW nogetit getit! I designed the first commercially successful fiber optic transmitter when you were still a wet dream. Maybe you should learn to respect your elders! Okay, I guess you're the one who's superior to everyone else on everything! Actually, I would think we both should be able to contribute something. All irrelevant to this, but you must really be old, given I'm no youngster.
07-04-2014, 08:28 PM
Getit is an ole fart like me puts . Both 68 , but let's not get into personalities as we wait. It's not productive and I regret when I get emotional also. The time delay wears .
07-04-2014, 10:26 PM
JFT thank you for uploading the Macquarie report.
Although their analysis is much better than many other analysts, I do want to make some comments: 1. Most importantly, the size of the LNG plant will have a large impact on the future cash flow of Antelop plant. It is not clear to me why Macquerie calculates with 7mtpa for a 2-train. IOC, itself mentioned 8 mtpa in December. I have the impression that IOC hopes to build a larger capacity plant as they are focussing on prospects with tie-in distance from Antelop. Moreover, FID is delayed to 2016. For technical reasons it would be better to increase the capacity per train as this will improve the efficiency of the heatexchangers. 2. The GCA certification is seen as a conservative version of the GLJ certification. I understand that the GLJ certification is based on more recent test results. 3. It is mentioned that the operational field responsibility will be transferred to Total after FID. This will be later. 4. The report is based on the situation before the sale of the refinery. Although Macquarie report is rather negative on this activity USD 17/sh is attributed to this activity. This will go down to 10/sh after the sale. However, Macquarie is missing the point that a revamp was needed for this plant. Moreover, the refinery sale will pave the way for a cooperation with the Japanese who want to set up a DME factory which is a substitute for diesel.
07-04-2014, 11:04 PM
'Relker' pid='46349' datel Wrote: For technical reasons it would be better to increase the capacity per train as this will improve the efficiency of the heatexchangers.. It is not an airconditioner where one is concerned with energy efficiency for moving heat from an evaporator to a condenser. It is a LNG plant where one is concerned with rate of return on investment. If one chooses to overbuild the infrastructure with reguard to the proven reserves, then the ROI goes down or even negative and the big banks possibly won't lend the money to build it.
07-04-2014, 11:08 PM
'mikesioc' pid='45489' datel Wrote:
" $1 today is worth more than $1 tomorrow every day." That may come as a surprise to FX (foreign exchange) traders and central bankers around the world. Imagine their relief, It is only a exchange market of 50 Trillion USD per year, more or less.
07-05-2014, 01:09 AM
'jft310' pid='46282' datel Wrote:
Thank you for the reply JFT. My point, and believe to MIkeIOC's point, is that the time value of money would dictate that $120/share right now would be a win for all shareholders. We double the value of our investment and move on to find something else. The list you comprised is a lengthy list that may take more time than most investors are willing to wait. That is the point I was trying to make. WHile I certainly see more value than 62/share, 120 is a double, and even if I miss the upside of 200 in 5 years, 120 now seems like a good trade IMO. I believe many who entered into this investment just prior to Dec. 6th would agree as well. I am not arguing the potential, just being practical that 120 is a win from here. It isn't where you were, it is where you are and reality is that we are sitting well below expectations of likely every shareholder reading this board. I don;t care how we get to 120, but I would like to see it sooner, rather than later, and if that means losing the opportunity to go to 200 in 4 or 5 years as an example, I am ok with that trade off now. Just my humble opinion. Good luck longs and happy Independence day. Jdeo
07-05-2014, 01:27 AM
'sydbod' pid='46351' datel Wrote: The mechanism of the LNG plant can be compared with your fridge. There is always an optimum between extra capital cost and the time it will cost to deplete the reserves. If you find more reserves rightaway, you will build a larger plant
07-05-2014, 03:59 AM
'jft310' pid='46347' datel Wrote:
Jft - You guys are 68....still youngsters ! On July 1st I turned 83 ,and while I pray for" Binck" once in a while,I would rather not join him just yet. ( As you probably know,the older you get the longer your prayer list grows, with a lot of your friends "going on" |
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