Liedership by the Panderer in Chief

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Well, perhaps it's because I'm not an American, then..

Dunno Tree. I don't know the guy (he's an analyst for Fox, so being an Obama apologist wasn't the first thing that came to my mind), but is anything he says incorrect? He's literally quoting several sources by name.

[Tree]

Juan is quoting sources which knew the truth was contrary to their words. Contrary to sworn Congressional testimony. Juan knows better, he's a smart guy.
Per released e-mails, looks like Our Commander in Chief knew Bengjazi was a terrorist attack as the attack was unfolding. Anyone with a brain knew that. The question is why the charade/cover up for 2 weeks to blame the attack on a protest that got out of hand due to an obscure youtube video? Pathetic that Obama lied in the 2nd debate that he identified the attack appropriately as a terrorist attack the day after on 9/12/12. Romney wisely laid off the Lybian cover-up as now the US media is forced to cover it and their spin to explain away Obama's cover-up will continue to fall short.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/2...2C20121024

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57...MixRelated

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An Republican lawmaker in Oklahoma on Tuesday appeared to call for Hillary Clinton’s assassination in a Facebook post, a remark he later brushed off as just sarcasm. The Oklahoman reported that State Rep. John Bennett ® wrote “2 words … firing squad” in the post, which linked to a conservative blog criticizing Clinton for the deaths of four Americans in the 2012 Benghazi attacks. The paper reported that Bennett sent them a text message saying the post was meant to be sarcastic, but also that Clinton “has committed nothing less than treason by leaving fellow Americans to die in Benghazi.” “If anyone else had done that they would be charged with treason and thrown under the jail at a minimum, and a firing squad likely,” he wrote to the Oklahoman.

Oklahoma GOPer Says Hillary Clinton Deserves 'Firing Squad'

What strikes me is that there have been 6 or 7 independent inquiries (at great taxpayer's expense) which all exhonerated Clinton, but this is simply not accepted as reality by some, often the same people who argue they are from the party of law and order. Shouldn't that mean one accepts outcomes of independent inquiries and/or assumes innocense until proven guilty, you know, basic stuff like that?

It's hardlya stand-alone issue, as it happens. The Clintons were accused of murdering Vince Foster, Whitewater, Travelgate, a whole cottage industry of accusations emerged in the 1990s, and when independent inquiries didn't find anything, these outcomes were simply not accepted and inquiries simply developed into new searches.

After all, they must be guilty of something.. (just look at her, as Trump would say..)

So Whitewater morphed into Monica, Benghazi into emails, and in the process the otherwise fine institution of the FBI is politicized, with leaks pooring out about every corner and public statements meaning very little and breaking two fine procedures (not to comment on ongoing investigations and not to intervene in the election process).

And anything one brings up against this must simply be in on it, part of the 'mainstream media' or even elite "world government"

Heritage Action is calling on Republican senators to block Hillary Clinton's Supreme Court nominees for the entirety of her administration, according to a report from the Hill. The group has warned the Senate GOP it will take “an immense amount of willpower," but that it is essential to preserving the court.

Heritage Action Calls On GOP To Block Clinton's SCOTUS Noms For Years

One side is simply denying the other side's legitimacy to govern (Does Hillary have a birth certificate?). If they win the election that must be rigged (somehow), and every measure of obstruction is allowed, even encouraged. How many government shutdowns are we going to have this time...

This isn't going to end well..

[ArtM72]

No, this isn't going to end well because hypocrisy has worked its way like a cancer to one part of the core of the Republican being. Strict Constitutionalists calling for denial of the President's right to appoint Supreme Court justices for 10 months is bad enough, but for an entire term?

The pandering to the ignorance and active misinformation of Red State voters by conservative media, and the financial incentives to corporate media to keep the race close have so badly obscured the bottom line facts it is hard to see our nation able to make rational choices.

You would think that no convictions after having been indicted by and tried in the media for 30 years would say this is an innocent, and badly battered, woman. Yet innocent until proven guilty has been lost to our sense of justice.

Hillary's routinely called criminal and liar (with proven basis only in public opinion) by a candidate who almost literally spews a continuing stream of lies in his stump speeches, leaving "fact checking" overwhelmed, and the media with its conflicted interests inept to point out the incongruity.

There was a group of Republicans led by the likes of Chaney and Wolfowitz that wanted to blow up the Middle East in the late 1990s believing democracy and peace would emerge. Many of the same people think that by blowing up Washington will have the same result. I fear it may.

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So the first 100 days the Trump govt is going to:

• Slap across the board tariffs on Chinese imports and designate them as a currency manipulator (they've been desperately trying to keep the yuan up, not down, but these are small details..)
• Rescind NAFTA
• Repel Obamacare, leaving 20M people without health insurance (but they will still get sick)
• Instigate massive tax cuts, mainly for the well off

And this is going to bring back those lost manufacturing jobs in the rustbelt?

[Tusker]

Dragged to the truth by facts.  The obvious has even fallen onto The Huff Post.  4 dead Americans, no leadership just cover up for the cause of the attack for weeks and now a fact forced mea culpa.  What a tragedy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/09...d=webmail1

How is the vote going?  Visiting Chicago this holiday...perhaps ?

[ArtM72]

So the first 100 days the Trump govt is going to:

• Slap across the board tariffs on Chinese imports and designate them as a currency manipulator (they've been desperately trying to keep the yuan up, not down, but these are small details..)
• Rescind NAFTA
• Repel Obamacare, leaving 20M people without health insurance (but they will still get sick)
• Instigate massive tax cuts, mainly for the well off

And this is going to bring back those lost manufacturing jobs in the rustbelt?

The world will now see what a rudderless USA looks like.  A man who can't tell the truth ran a successful campaign daily calling a woman with a lifetime of public service a liar.  A man whose business dealings has generated 3500 lawsuits, many of which were lost or "settled" daily calling a woman who has never even been indicted corrupt. Truth has perished.

People can only suck it up and deal with the consequences.  Maybe I'll wake up tomorrow to find this was only a bad dream.

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Well coming from Europe, my gut always feared this was going to happen although my American friends assured me it was not going to (throwing around stuff like "groundgame" and all that..).

The economist in me says this isn't going to end well. As if trade is responsible for working class woes

["American factories now produce about twice as much per worker as they did in the 1980s... Manufacturing’s share of the global economy has been shrinking, just as it has in the US. When thinking about manufacturing’s declining share of the economy, it’s easy to think there must be something wrong with the manufacturing sector. But the truth is closer to the opposite: Manufacturing industries are victims of their own success. In recent decades, the manufacturing sector has consistently enjoyed higher productivity growth than the economy as a whole. Manufacturing is shrinking relative to the broader economy precisely because it has continued to get more productive even as demand for manufactured goods plateaued. That’s the productivity paradox."]

The productivity paradox: why we're getting more innovation but less growth - Vox

As if tariffs are the solution to a largely non-existent problem..

Of course, we'll have to see what he's actually going to do, and taking Trump face value, dunno about that.

[ArtM72]

There have been so many promises made my only hope is the gullible and mis/underinformed of (mostly rural) America won't be able to tell whether those promises are ever kept. In a "change" election almost every incumbent is returned to Washington by the very people who demanded the change.

Trump has promised great increases for the military, for decaying infrastructure, for inner city education and all of that will be financed by 5% annual economic growth. How's that strike you as an economist, the world's most mature economy achieving that kind of growth?

If there is anything hopeful here this morning it is at 6 am there have already been campaign promises walked back amid the fear of having no idea what President Trump will choose to do as the most powerful man on Earth.

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["Trump has promised great increases for the military, for decaying infrastructure, for inner city education and all of that will be financed by 5% annual economic growth. How's that strike you as an economist, the world's most mature economy achieving that kind of growth?"]

Funny that you should ask..

http://seekingalpha.com/article/4021379-...th-forever