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At what price would an Interoil buyout succeed? - Printable Version +- ShareholdersUnite Forums (http://shareholdersunite.com/mybb) +-- Forum: Companies (http://shareholdersunite.com/mybb/forumdisplay.php?fid=1) +--- Forum: InterOil Forum (http://shareholdersunite.com/mybb/forumdisplay.php?fid=4) +--- Thread: At what price would an Interoil buyout succeed? (/showthread.php?tid=5876) |
RE: At what price would an Interoil buyout succeed? - Palm - 01-29-2014
'Movieguy' pid='36511' datel Wrote: If this were a deal for "Now", which is before any drilling, before any IPI settlement, etc., likely any offer coming would be tops at a 70% premium, which means $88. Only two voters are even in that top dollar "hope" as far as reality. To think that an offer would even come in anywhere near the most popular choice NOW is really pie-in-the sky. But I think some really may feel there's hope for something like that NOW. Then there's the other side of the coin that many probably don't realize: "In 2012, shareholders challenged 93 percent of merger and acquisition (M&A) deals valued over $100 million and 96 percent of transactions valued over $500 million. Most cases settled, and in more than 80 percent of settlements the only relief to shareholders was additional disclosures. " The largest shareholders know what a reasonable "NOW" offer would come in at. So say even a $100 offer came in and Chandler and other bigs just wanted out, and the BOD accepted. There would be lawsuits galore where only the attorneys win. So if a realistic offer (back to the $88) were to come, likely it would be turned down. Then we're back to letting the deals play out and the values increasing; even if one waits until Certification. But to expect the absoluet unrealistic "NOW" sets oneself up for more disappointment. The worst thing that could happen NOW is a buyout offer; it would only disappoint and give one another reason to curse management.
Lets let things happen RE: At what price would an Interoil buyout succeed? - ArtM72 - 01-29-2014 I just have to think that there are forces that are continuing to press shareholders into capitulation. NONE of the information on the resource, facility engineering or market economics of IOC's fields have changed. E/A remains a world record holding gas resource with a cost to develop far less than anything else in Australasia, thus making the resource per mcf more valuable than the average in the area, not less. So let's not be stupid and think the stock is only worth $150 or $200 just because the market today says it's only worth $50. My old hypothesis of Australian interests in delaying this project may be correct and given the track record to date I'm not entirely sure the Woodside crew is all working in IOC's best interest. But I'll be damned if that means IOC's resource (and PNG's interest in it) has changed significantly in the past 18 months. RE: At what price would an Interoil buyout succeed? - Palm - 01-29-2014 So what's it worth today if not $52? If it's worth $150, $200 or $500 today why hasn't an offer been made at $100? Even by Total? So we're to believe that shorts and other market "forces" are holding it here and have even the SMs baffled or thinking that if they offer $85, it'll go to $200 in a heartbeat? We heard that as soon as a deal was struck would be the time. Then when IPI is settled. Then when the deal closes. No. We know the answer. The resource must be further developed for real value to be there. That's a ways off. NOW it's not worth $200. RE: At what price would an Interoil buyout succeed? - jft310 - 01-29-2014 Ah but it is worth doing a deal with Total to see what we really own??Why are investors unhappy with a 2 train LNG plant??Even GCA thinks we have enough for a 2 trainer. Don't believe ok best read the GCA report.Want a copy send me a PM and it comes along. RE: At what price would an Interoil buyout succeed? - SamAdams - 01-29-2014
'Palm' pid='36709' datel Wrote:So what's it worth today if not $52? If it's worth $150, $200 or $500 today why hasn't an offer been made at $100? Even by Total? So we're to believe that shorts and other market "forces" are holding it here and have even the SMs baffled or thinking that if they offer $85, it'll go to $200 in a heartbeat? We heard that as soon as a deal was struck would be the time. Then when IPI is settled. Then when the deal closes. No. We know the answer. The resource must be further developed for real value to be there. That's a ways off. NOW it's not worth $200.
Palm,I don't disagree but Movie's question was "at what price would an offer succeed?" I disagreed with some here that a deal was imminent and its clear that XOM saw no urgency in overpaying. u, the question is at what price would a deal be successful. That doesn't necessarily mean the price that makes everyone happy or best relfects the resource value. I agree $88 would not cut it. But I think in the $125 -$150 range enought of the "bigs" would capitulate and sell. As you point out, its not worth $200 NOW. The stock may never get to $200 EVER because of how events have unfolded, but its certainly worth a lot more than where its trading. I see no harm in a poll asking an opinion of what someone would think it would take to successfully bid for and get the company, whether or not it might transpite. More grandiose things have been imagined here in the past, or is that considered looking backwards. The best path to value realization is the drilliing program but one has to wonder if IOC will suffer from a perpetual market discount. TIme will tel. Th IPI resolution and how its communicated and the sequence of the news from the wells will tell us a lot in the near term (3-6 months). RE: At what price would an Interoil buyout succeed? - Palm - 01-29-2014 Agree to a point Sam. But given what we have today ("Now") there's little chance a bid would get that high ($125-150) IMHO. Mgmt just concluded a deal that most all say is a very good deal. Today we have a $52 pps and it's going nowhere fast. A 70% premium is a very real "max" for someone to pay and it's hard to argue that. Management and the board know that. So if we'd get REAL lucky TODAY it might get to $100. It's been through the wringer for 3 years to get the deal we got. If pressed the $100 would almost have to be accepted. If not, lawsuits come. But if accepted, lawsuits still come. It's the nature of our wonderful "activist shareholder" world today. Don't forget, there are some big players loading up at THESE levels now. A poll like this does what some who voted high have said they don't want; set unrealistic expectations. IMHO "Now" there's less chance of getting a buyout above the two lowest voters' level than Total coming back and saying, "Ooops we didn't pay you enough". RE: At what price would an Interoil buyout succeed? - SamAdams - 01-29-2014 OK. I took it at face value. I don't expect $125-$150 but that is what it would take IMO. I don't think $100 would do it, but again IMO. The company is worth at a minimum $80 (very rough calculation) based on the face value of the TOT deal and excludes a lot of other parts. I don't think anyone would use the $50 price to calculate the real premium. I think the TOT deal is the floor, but then again it sure looks like a celing from here. I think a 25 to 50% premium to the TOT deal of $0.80 gross would be more apropriate but I don't necessarily think that's coming either. Credibility will be the key and how they navigate the deal closing and first couple of wells will determine how much credit they get and real interest from additional partners. But I wholeheartedly agree on the realism angle. RE: At what price would an Interoil buyout succeed? - Movieguy - 02-21-2014 Seems this thread may have become quite relevant. I stick with my vote of $125 - 150 ($140 if we get specific), but I'd be happy to seem higher and such a case is very reasonable. RE: At what price would an Interoil buyout succeed? - Dmarque - 02-21-2014
'Movieguy' pid='37729' datel Wrote:Seems this thread may have become quite relevant. I stick with my vote of $125 - 150 ($140 if we get specific), but I'd be happy to seem higher and such a case is very reasonable. Based on the results of the input on this thread apparently the shorts are winning this game. They've beaten down the optimism of so many here regarding the value of the assets we have to significantly lower levels compared to where everyone was at just a couple years ago when so much less was known or had been accomplished. Time has caused people to get anxious and at the same time lose their sense of what portends for the untapped property at our disposal. I think a thread like this does more harm than good. Would you show your cards earlt at the poker table too? mark
RE: At what price would an Interoil buyout succeed? - SamAdams - 02-21-2014
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